Several years ago, Mary Hardy of the Temple of Sakkara passed by Riki and said, “You’re making something for the Opening Ceremonies this year!”
Shortly before the yearly event in Michigan Riki remembered her statement. Without too much thought, Riki quickly formulated what she and Dave now call, “Anointing Oil.” When she questioned Spirit on how and why to use it, she was told to put it on three spots:
The Third Eye
The Crown Chakra
The spot on the back of the head where the spine joins the skull
Riki was told these three spots would reconnect people with the Divine. Further questioning revealed that “baptism” is the ritual sealing of the Pineal Gland. She has now “un-baptised” several hundred people, all of whom, to varying degrees, have loved the results.
Gold, Frankincense and Myrrh were given to Jesus at his birth. Dave and Riki believe the gold was in the Ormic form, and that these three substances together form the strongest spiritual protection possible.
Looking at the healing properties of Ormus Gold, Frankincense and Myrrh individually, each on its own is powerful. Together Dave and Riki are just starting to explore the possibilities.
It appears that using it under the arms helps the lymphatic system to attain maximum efficiency. On sore joints it addresses inflammation and helps to reduce or eliminate pain. So far they have only used it topically, but there is no reason to stop there. The taste is not unpleasant.
In this recent interview, Cary Kirastar Ellis asks Dave and Riki to describe their 13-year journey as “Ormus wizards.” Prior to embarking on their life’s path with Ormus, Riki was a dog groomer for 47 years. She was a vet tech into holistic healing, energy healing, reflexology, and Reiki. Researching, teaching, and making Ormus is her “retirement,” which she also loves!
Dave has a mechanical, technical background. He has been a mechanic with cars and aircraft, and also engineering processes at Douglas. His specialty has been solving electrical and mechanical problems for dealerships. For example, he was a problem-solver for one of the first electric cars that came in. Anything technical and anything different that arouses his curiosity. That’s what Ormus ended up doing.
Why This Interview?
The reason for holding this interview was to discuss ways in which the sciences of Ormus and GANS / plasma can benefit each other and lead to advancing next steps for humanity’s existence. This discussion encompasses everything from human health to plant health to free energy.
Dave and Riki think that Ormus may be a connector for all of these aspects, everything from Brown’s Gas to alternative energy, to how light works. Each of the individual protocols tries to keep their information to themselves because it benefits them physically and financially. In the long run compartmentalizing research and researchers in order to control the science just denigrates the whole study.
Ormus and Dave’s Stem Cells
Dave was able to participate in a private stem-cell study three years after a quadruple bypass. Stem cells extracted from his hip were injected into his open heart, and the stem cells helped to repair and rebuild (in fact, cleared up) the earlier damage.
At this time Dave and Riki had been making and taking just a teaspoon of Ormus every day for several years. The doctors noted from their medical tests that Dave had six times the number of stem cells than they had ever seen in anybody. In addition, those stem cells were healthier than any they had ever seen. They actually asked to keep some of the stem cells in order to experiment with them.
Ormus and Riki’s Dislexia
One of the reasons Riki worked as a dog groomer was because she was quite severely dyslexic. She was sure that working in an office would have caused her to have a nervous breakdown by the end of the first day.
Within 10 months of starting to take Ormus her dyslexia was totally gone.
Nutrition and Ormus
When asked why so many conditions clear up with Ormus, Dave and Riki say they think perhaps most problems come from nutritional deficiencies. Ormus seems to act as a tool for communication in the body and fills those gaps. For example, Riki’s dyslexia was incorrect miscommunication.
The Ormus version is the chemically inert form of an element in the periodic table. In our space and time the only elements that are inert are the inert gases. They do not chemically react with other substances. Examples are helium, neon, argon, radon, krypton and xenon.
Inert Elements and Digestion
What seems to happen is the body converts metals into their ormic form. When we digest our food it is dissolved in a pH of about 1.5, and the metals are dissolved into metallic salts. So iron, magnesium, selenium, copper and zinc get dissolved into metallic salts in this high acid area. When that’s complete the material then moves toward the small intestine and the liver creates pH 10+ alkaline material. The gall bladder is the control valve and the duodenum is the port. So this material is injected into the digestive slurry and neutralizes the acidic behavior of the slurry. That acid-alkali reaction drops these metals in their chemically inert ormic form.
The body extracts these materials as they move through the rest of the digestive system. These materials are then utilized for intercellular, interbacterial and probably neural communication. Because they are chemically inert they are not available to be chemically utilized in other actions of the body. They work like the telephone poles delivering the electricity to your house. No poles, no electricity. But the poles are not sacrificed in allowing the delivery.
The ormic materials are the facilitators of the intercellular, interbacterial communication systems, and they are not used up in facilitating the delivery. We convert this material every day, every glass of water, every meal.
Why Take Ormus
Making the concentrated Ormus helps to supplement the body’s system. As fields get more and more depleted, we are getting less and less metals from the foods that are growing in them.
The second side of it is we have more and more exposure to electro-magnetic frequencies (EMFs). Even though these materials are chemically neutral, they are affected and repelled by both sides of the magnetic field. So we physically lose them. When you bring the cell phone to your head the wavelength is 4.8 inches, which is 2.45 gigahertz. So the initial wavelength that can cause that damage in the magnetic repulsion is about the size of a soccer ball, with half of it being inside your head. That’s causing the collateral damage.
The other thing it’s doing is the magnetic field of the transmitter is repelling the ormic communications materials away from that source so it is debilitating the mechanism that will clean up the collateral damage. Ormus is repelled by magnetic fields. Until they start to understand the mechanism, it is actually a double-whammy. I think right now there are 22 to 24-million brain tumors being serviced in the western world. That’s why we keep putting it out there and some day the seed will take root.
This month we want to share some welcome news from an ormus customer in the UK! He says our ormus continues to bring very positive effects to his life and those of his pets. Here is what he told us:
I was able to bring one of our pet turkeys back from the brink with your Ormus Gold. He had a bad attack of worms in his gut and was in a poor state and, as it took several days for the vets here to analyse the faeces. Before they could prescribe the right medication, I started giving him pipettes of Ormus Gold. This got him pretty much back to normal before the medication finally arrived! That killed off the remaining gut worms. But he was well on the way back to recovery even before we started him on the treatment. So yes another positive result! See shots below: pre- and post-ormus.
Here are the photos Andrew sent. What a wonderful transformation in that poor, sick turkey. Go ormus for pets!
By the way, the rest of Andrew’s pet family is no stranger to the benefits of ormus either.
Cats and Dogs Too!
Because I’ve felt so much better taking your Ormus Gold, I’ve started putting a few drops into the water bowl my pets use with some very interesting results.
I have four cats and three dogs. The cats have all started getting much more affectionate. They demand much more individual attention and seem to be purring much louder than before.
One of my dogs is Judy, a collie/labrador cross. She is a 15-year old rescue dog and has only been with me since April last year when her previous owner died. She’s partially deaf and her mobility is somewhat impaired. But she’s a lovely dog who meets and greets everyone she encounters.
Since I started giving her ormus, she has perked up considerably. Her mobility has improved, she much enjoys her daily walks (which are now romps). Even her hearing has improved! So, again, subtle but amazing results!
Riki & Dave have been working with ormus materials for 12 years. They make products the reader can try out for themselves. They have found some very important peculiarities as they continued to research materials. One peculiarity they found and studied a couple of years ago is the phenomenon of iridescence.
Grebennikov found that insects that mathematically had wings too small to fly nonetheless could fly. The insect extracts the ormic materials from the environment and lines the inside of its exoskeleton. When the insect beats its wings, they become the resonant frequency that activates the levitation properties of the ormic material. In the case of ormus iridium, for example, this causes the insect to lose 4/9ths of its body weight
Ormus is a 5th State of Matter
Ormus materials are actually a 5th state of matter for any element of the periodic table that is inert. It is the completely, chemically non-reactive of elements of the periodic table. Inert gases – neon, zeon, krypton, etc., over on the bright green top right of the period table – are naturally in this condition, where they do not react chemically with anything.
What appears to be the purpose of these materials for living matter is that they are the facilitators of our internal messaging system – that’s our neural, inter-cellular communication systems and our inter-bacterial communication systems. Because they are not chemically combinable, they are the facilitators that allow the internal messaging systems to function. This is true of plants, animals and people.
This additional focus on iridescent behavior part has added a curious new aspect to Dave & Riki’s study of ormus materials. They began researching this about 3 years ago at an antique show in Ohio when we accidentally discovered a book called Metallic Glass. When David Hudson was researching metallic glass, they extracted ormus materials, heated it up to about 1800 degrees to anneal it, then cooled it extremely rapidly. Instead of congealing into a powder it congealed into a rose-colored crystal stone.
The crystal stone sat around the lab for a few years, and somebody who had studied Chartres cathedral extensively thought this looked familiar. He took it to France and what they found was that this crystal, (which was actually condensed ormus that was rhodium, I believe) perfectly matched one of the windows in Chartres cathedral. The colors of these windows in Chartres had been regarded as healing light. They were made by the Knights Templar in around the year 1000 AD. David Hudson’s group believe that a lot of these windows were ormic glass that they were producing in some similar method.
Metallic glass is a process invented in 1961 in Ohio. The guy heated up gold and silica until they fused and then he super-cooled it. What he ended up with was a material that had some iridescence to it. And it had different behavioral properties than gold. So this continued for a little while, and in 1976 there was a conference in Ohio. The purpose was to bring everyone up to date on what had been done with the exploration of metallic glass to that point. (The book with all the compiled results was printed in 1978. You might be able to find it on the internet.) What he found was that one of the properties of metallic glass is an odd iridescence to it.
Today they produce a little metallic glass commercially. Its biggest use is on golf clubs, because it seems to have a lesser ability to absorb the impact of the ball so it will go further. That’s as far as anyone has gone with it commercially.
If you Google metallic glass videos, you will find an interesting video. There’s a fellow who has two glass or plastic tubes on a desk. One has a piece of stainless steel on the bottom of it. The other one has a piece of metallic glass stainless steel that has been heated up and super-cooled.
The difference in the properties is interesting. When he drops a ball bearing on the sheet of stainless steel it will bounce 14-16 times. When he drops it on the amorphic, irregularly constructed surface it will bounce for about two minutes.
Their scientific conclusion on this is that the metal that has been heated up is cooled so rapidly that the metallic crystalline structure is unable to reorganize itself completely, and is what they call an amorphic or irregular structure. Part of its exhibition is iridescence. They are all different. There are a lot of people looking into this.
The property they’ve decided causes this is that the ball bearing dropped on the amorphic structure rebounds because the surface is unable to absorb the energy of the ball bearing. That’s the conclusion at this point.
What I actually think is happening is that, because this material is iridescent, and in the ormic state of the elemental material, the neutral material is encased into this metallic crystalline structure. Because of its rapid rate of cooling it is actually anti-gravitationally feeding back to the ball bearing. Nobody is looking into this that I am aware of.
When you look at iridescence in insects we know they lose their weight and they mathematically should not be able to fly, but they can. Pretty much all insects have compound eyes. All compound eyes have iridescent material in them. In fact, all our eyes do too. These are materials that are not regarded as anything but colors, and yet they are able to process light and various other aspects of what we are and what nature is. And, again, no one is looking into this.
There’s a recurring pattern of behavior that emerged as Dave and Riki begin to study this more. Birds have iridescent feathers, and birds likely have iridescent materials incorporated into their structure, as do we. It’s in our eyes, for sure, and probably other places. So that gives us the ability to process light at different levels of our physical structure.
So there’s a very physical side to this. One of the other things when Dave and Riki were searching to find out what else had iridescent materials in it and potential anti-gravitational properties is the fact that the pyramids were built out of granite. Granite has a large amount of iridescent characteristics within the various particles and constructions of the granite itself.
Anti-Gravitation and Iridescence
In the 1970s a man named David Hamill was building anti-gravitational engines in British Columbia and Ontario. A book was written about him called The Granite Man and the Butterfly. He was manufacturing various components of these engines out of red granite found in Ontario. This was all information that was given to him. He had a 5th-grade education and was in the Army back in in the war. He passed away at 84, but a lot of his information is sort of contributory to this as well.
A lot of what we are doing with our research is looking for bits and pieces that start to cross-reference each other. When you start to look at things like the pyramids with the iridescent material having anti-gravitational properties, Dave and Riki believe that these things can be activated by sonic frequencies that will activate these resonant cavities that will act in opposition to gravity.
Many people know about Coral Castle in Florida, built by Edward Leedskalnin. They talked about these cones he was using–again resonant frequencies. What he was lifting wasn’t granite. It was limestone cuttings from Florida. Limestone comes from the shells of sea creatures. You have mother of pearl, all these other things with endless iridescent properties. It looks like the same thing was probably going on at that point.
Michael Tellinger looks at some of this stuff running back in history. He has a fairly good video on the continual appearance of these cones well back into Egypt and South Africa. Somehow these have something to do with resonant frequencies, and resonant frequencies can be controlled. Again, insects do it with their wings.
There are many stories of the Tibetan Buddhists literally raising rocks for buildings with their chants and probably sonically activating the anti-gravitational properties of these granites – look what the Himalayas are made out of.
Dave and Riki investigated this entire area in Google and other so-called resources and could find nothing. Dave looks in Google about all of these peculiar things they are researching and all he finds is himself. It doesn’t give him any answers.
Following is a potential explanation for how these ancient technologies could have contributed to the construction of the pyramids and likely a lot of these other constructions around the world. It is as simple as sound-activated anti-gravitational properties. They get into this from the ormus materials, Brown’s gas. Ormus oxygen and ormus hydrogen are actually Brown’s gases. Again, they have peculiar properties. Everything they have been taught works in reverse when you begin to look at anti-gravitational stuff, the way Brown’s gas functions – it’s completely opposite of what we’re taught.
Oxyacetylene torches work by discharging heat and heating up what you’re working with. Brown’s gas torches work in reverse. They only have a 269 degree flame and what they do is excite the material you want to weld or work with and draw the energy back into the torch.
Brown’s gas doesn’t explode, it implodes. Again, they are ormus oxygen and ormus hydrogen. Materials in this 5th state of matter endlessly and continuously exhibit behaviors that are absolutely opposite of everything we’ve been taught by our education system.
So Dave and Riki study ormus and ormus materials from a kind of sideshow. Dave’s background is technical, mechanic production work, products, things like that. Riki’s work has been very much on the spiritual side, a place where Dave feels really devoid. Their relationship has allowed them to look at both sides of this. Dave is used to working with tools, and Riki is his best tool. He know how to work with these tools, and says it’s just incredible.
How Dave and Riki Research Ormus
Dave and Riki have been doing research for 12 years. There were no books even on ormus when they started this, there has really been no information anywhere. So they set up a process of dowsing where they formulate the questions and go through the dowsing process. The dowsing has led them in the right direction continuously. Invariably, cross-references come, sometimes a week, a month, a year, three years down the road. It’s really interesting because for 12 years it has absolutely proven to be the way to do this.
All humans have the ability to do these things. We are the dowsing tool. All these other things are focal point instruments to use what we already are. We have everything we need within us. We do not need to go outside of us. When we look inside we start to draw what we need to us.
Dave ran into a problem. He would start downloading this information and he would be working all day, and then all night, and then all the next day. He was getting so ridiculously tired with all this information coming and he said to Riki one day, “I can’t do this any more.” And she said, “Oh, just tell your guides to give it to you at the speed you can handle it.” So he did and it was fixed just like that.
So we have these communication avenues within us. And whatever your interest or your passion is, these things will come to you. Just don’t doubt them. The whole process of ascension is changing our thinking from controlling to allowing.
It doesn’t matter what culture you come from. Cultures are for the purpose of getting babies in line in whatever part of the world they come from. We have to just learn to undo our cultures and open our minds and look at these things.
So Dave and Riki hope that by talking a little bit about iridescence they can get people thinking about it. Because there are definite results to be had from this procedure of questioning and reasoning. Whatever the culture, whatever the background, you might be able to look back in history to see where iridescence was valued. For example pearls, shells. A lot of the answers are in the traditions of why certain things were valued in that culture. We have all this information about us and around us. We don’t need to dig outside for it. It’s there if you just think about your culture.
Dave & Riki work with ormus gold. Their backround culture is European. When they started to look at the stories from their culture, they found the leprechaun and the pot of gold, that everything King Midas touched turned to gold, and the goose laid the golden egg. A lot of this stuff has been in our culture for hundreds of years. Why is gold so important?
In one of Zecharia Sitchin‘s books he translated the Sumerian tablets. It said the Anunnaki came to earth to mine gold because its atmosphere was depleted. Now what kind of translation from an ancient tablet is that?
Dave & Riki started looking into it and realized that earth’s natural cloud is ormus. Precipitating out of the moisture in the atmosphere, and when it rains we get water and we get ormus together. Because if you take any rain water source, split it in two and microwave one part, the water that comes out of the microwave will no longer support life. If it is used on plants, the plants will die, because the magnetic field has repelled the ormus messaging material out of the water. It’s an easy experiment – you can do this at home. This is how things work.
Another thing Dave & Riki have discovered with plants is a field called tetryonics. This theory was developed by a gentleman named Kelvin in Australia about 11 years ago. He had to explain particles to his 13-year-old son for school and the discussion was not going well. He looked into particles to find a good way to explain them and realized that none of the explanations made sense to him either. The model we are taught in school about the neutron, proton, electron, marble theory that was created in 1897 fits less and less today.
Kelvin reasoned that the smallest particle on the planet, according to conventional science, is a quark. A quark is a triangle. On each point of that triangle there is an electric or a magnetic positive or negative. If you rotate that quark, the opposite is on the other side, which keeps it steady. When you put two quarks together you now have a diamond-shaped photon. This is light. This is how our energy comes from the sun.
What all plants do is collect copper, and they concentrate the copper around the chloroplast, where the plant produces its food. Anywhere there is a metal, there is an ormic field of the neutral metal around it. Depending on the dynamics of the atmosphere, the magnetic field, etc., these materials are switching back and forth between the metallic state and the ormic state.
Now, what plants do within this field of the ormus copper, which is where they produce their food, they take these photons of light and they fold them together into tetrahedrons of matter. Plants convert two-dimensional light into three-dimensional matter within the ormic field of copper. That’s why they are literally building the planet. That’s why something that happened a hundred years ago is three feet below ground. That’s what’s happening. They are building the earth from the top of it by converting light into plant material.
Dave and Riki have given plants ormus at their home. One of the interesting things that happens when plants are given ormus is that they become much more prolific and develop larger leaves, larger plants. For example, here are photographs that show side-by-side comparisons of walnut trees planted at the same time. The ones on the right were treated with ormus water. The one on the left was simply watered normally.
And here are close-ups of the walnuts these trees produced.
When you look at ormus treated plants in the sun you will start to see these odd little flecks of iridescence in the leaves, and even a little iridescence in the flowers. So, again we are back to this continuously recurring appearance of iridescent materials. And yet when you look iridescence up it’s just a bland explanation of next to nothing. Definitions don’t really work – if you look up the meaning of definition it is to set limitations and parameters of a word. So when you limit everything it basically impedes your forward moving process.
Ormus is ingestible, or it can be applied directly to the skin. Dave and Riki make six different ingestibles that are derivitives from different salts in sea water. With the magnesium spray the ormus is mixed with magnesium oil because it’s just water based and the magnesium oil will take it through the skin.
Dave and Riki view their job as helping viable people to become more viable. The presentation of information and physically helping people to get rid of things that impede their forward progress is what they do.
The reason ormus is not better known is because scientists are trained through conventional protocols. It is easy to assume that what we have been taught is all there is to know. Yet what we are taught by education systems worldwide is often inaccurate or incomplete. Dave and Riki’s definition of a “fact” is something that two people agree to look no further into. Everything we think we know should be examined to see what more there is. We can look at it through our experience, intelligence, examples, presentations, and through our history – looking back through our cultures. Again, dowsing is the best tool for today and of the future because it circumvents all the controlling of information. So it is part of our relationship with God, part of what we are. Churches and religions are intermediaries. They mean well but the dogmas get in the way.
Ormus material in Egypt was called “shewbread” or “the precious stone.” The Arabs called it “Mfktz,” and in the Bible it was called “manna.” Today we call it “ormus” or “monatomic gold.” The American military-industrial complex simply calls it “exotic matter.” You cannot patent this material. Parts of it have been classified and it will be removed from you if you try. That’s the status now.
A few years ago we were making a batch of wet method precipitate with dead sea salt. We were making six batches in six 1 gallon jars and had done the precipitate procedure but were running late for an appointment and had to leave immediately. Usually this material was left on an island in our kitchen and covered with towels to keep dust or anything out. As we were late it was left out on the kitchen counter near the window.
The appointment ran very late and we were so tired we just went to bed. In the early morning, before daylight, one of us was up and with a beautiful full moon it was easy to see through the house. I checked the Ormus, which was exposed to the moonlight, and voila! the precipitate had settled nicely but it had settled on a slope that was an inch deeper on the side nearest the moon, in all six separate gallon jars. How is it possible that a liquid can be on a slope inside another liquid? The only scientific explanation is that it was being acted on by an external force. If this was the case, it gave us something to contemplate.
Our reasoning is this. This is an anomaly. All our answers are in the anomalies.
As part of our research Riki and I mine the internet for information and curiosities — after all the internet is the greatest library of human kind in history. Previous research on Rudolph Steiner and the Anthroposophists, and on biodynamic gardening practices came to mind. Part of these practices incorporated a planting protocol that said to plant on the surface tiny seeds like lettuce or broccoli that require little to no soil covering during the full moon and within 3 days either side of the full moon. Deeper sown seeds and root veggies are done on or 3 days within the new moon.
These protocols were experiential and resulted in a hundred years of experimental results and comparison pictures of yields. These practices still continue today as the yield is superior and the work load lessened, an economic benefit.
When you find cross references between anomalies, explanations appear that are usually trustworthy and then can be built upon. The moonlight draws ormus toward it and draws it toward the top of the soil for the surface seeds. The lesser draw of the greatly reduced reflection at new moon allows the ormus to recede back into the soil, thus allowing the superior circumstances of planting the deeper garden seeds, potatoes etc.
Another anomaly that most of us are familiar with is that when an answer arrives it usually creates more questions, such is the study of nature, it will always keep your interest if you are curious. It will lead you if you allow. The question in this case involves the world tides. We are told that they are controlled by the gravity of the moon, but theoretically the gravity of the moon should not change as it is always the same size. True, it orbits in a slight ellipse around the earth but that is negligible. The one thing we all see is a change in the amount of light the moon reflects and the quality of light it reflects. It is said that the the reflected light is 1/500,000ths. of the light of the sun and that the range and frequencies of that light are unique due to the reflective composition of materials on the moon.
Look at the sometimes odd behaviours of some animals and arrest records of people at full moon. What is at play here? Are we being affected, dogs and wolves howling at the moon and mood changes in people? There is info in various bureaucratic records that defy explanation — another anomaly?
Anyway, we have extracted about 1/6th volume of precipitate from ocean water. If this ratio of material is reactive to the lunar cycle and is drawn toward full moon, could the ebb and flow cycles of tides be from light and not the gravity as taught in school? Another anomaly of the moon is that the same face always presents itself toward the earth. It is as though the reflective properties of the moon are designated. The reason for this phenomenon is that in order for the moon to present the same face as it moves in an elliptical orbit around the earth it must alter its rate of presentation to us, speeding up its rate of rotation as it nears the ends of the ellipse and slowing down on the long sides of the ellipse. This happens twice a month in its 29-day cycle.
It would seem that looking into this collection of anomalies presents a reasonable conclusion that all life is affected by the moon, a celestial body. Could other celestial bodies also affect us? Absolutely. Our sun allows us to exist, the moon is a tuning tool. What about other celestial bodies? Probably, perhaps to a lesser or different degree. Could the other planets of our solar system affect the Ormus materials in our bodies? We believe that 5 to 10 percent of our physical weight is in the Ormic form of materials (the chemically inert form, like the inert gasses). Could this be the basis for astrological readings based on your conditions of origin? Do your Ormic materials reorient themselves and act as a snapshot in time from when you were presented to the world?
Making Ormus at full moon garners an interesting energetic input. You also input your energies into the process by your state of being at that time.
Making Ormus during the spring and fall equinoxes also can be an interesting time as a celestial balance between sunlight and moonlight is in process. The light to dark ratio passes through a precise 12 hours of each. Celestial events in the spring were regarded by ancients with great respect and reverence as they were times of rejuvenation in the north. This would be a time of sequestering for the winter in the south. Was the recognition of the equinoxes coming from people that were far more in tune with nature? I think so, and there is a great deal more to learn. All this learning is presented to each of us within our own space should we just choose to observe.
by Dave Kane
Answer: You are changing all of the time. The best product for you today might not be the best one for you tomorrow or next year. Each of us is different. There is no single product which is best for all people. Some products may be better for certain conditions than others but, at this point, we do not know which product is best for which condition.
Your best bet for finding a product which works well for you is to try several different products. Have someone muscle test you on each of them. Read the WhiteGold list and archives for the effects that others have reported for the product of interest.
Question: Does anyone sell ORMUS materials?
Answer: If, for some reason, you cannot make your own there are several good sources for these materials. In fact, there are many people who prefer each of these sources and I suspect that each will meet the needs of different people.
Question: What is the difference between ORMUS, m-state and ORME?
Answer: The three terms above all mean pretty much the same thing but they originated in different situations.
I learned how to make the white precipitate from the Essene on May 18, 1997. He called all of the white precipitates from various sources m-state. These sources included the white precipitate from the Wet Method on ocean water or Dead Sea salt and the white precipitate from the Sodium Burn on metallic gold and black sand. He also referred to David Hudson’s products as m-state and, when I told him of the ORMUS products that Jim made from metal using ozone we both spoke of these substances as being m-state materials.
Just prior to my first visit with the Essene we set up a “private” email list to evaluate and promote various ORMUS production methods. The folks on this list (about 60 people) agreed to the following wording of the ORMUS method document after nearly a year of experimentation and discussion:
“Since Hudson has patented his process for obtaining and identifying these elements, we would like to suggest that the terms ORMUS and m-state be used when referring to this state of matter.”
It was our intention to honor Hudson by using his term “ORMUS” and to honor the Essene by using his term “M-State”. Both of these terms were originally used to cover all of these elements as they occur in a non-metallic form in nature.
We rejected the use of the acronym ORME (which stands for Orbitally Re-arranged Monoatomic Element) because there was no good scientific evidence that these materials were orbitally re-arranged or monatomic. I still have not seen any evidence of this.
Question: Are there any books on ormus?
Yes, see our Book List. There are also numerous videos about ormus. Also see Barry Carter’s excellent website http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/tw/articles.htm
Question: Why does ORMUS “dislike” magnetic fields?
Answer: In his Tampa workshop David Hudson said,
1:47:35 – “I’ve found that there are four substances that pin these high spin atoms and take them back to the low spin state. Those substances are sulfites (SO3), carbon and carbon monoxide, nitric oxide, and short wavelength radiation (deep ultraviolet or shorter). That’s what caused this stuff to explode in sunlight, I found out later. So there are four major things which cause this to go back to the low spin state. So, actually, in your body there are four things which cause this to go back to the low spin state. So that in your body it kills the light. It causes them to go back to the low spin state.
1:48:15 – “I will say that when nitric oxide interreacts with these elements, taking them back to the low spin state, that it does involve a phenomenon called electron annihilation. And the actual nitric oxides instead of being nitrogen 14 becomes radioactive carbon 14 when that occurs. So that in your body, when dying you are producing radioactive carbon 14. It gets in your body a different way than they tell you it does.< style=”font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif;”> When Jim learned this he realized that his ozone was probably doing something similar and that is why he had the fibers of gold grow inside his hands.”
Based on these experiences Jim designed the first magnetic traps to get ORMUS to levitate out of ordinary ground water. The traps work on the principle that the ORMUS in the water is repelled by the magnetic fields in the trap. Jim also did another experiment in which he pulsed a very high energy magnetic field under concentrated ORMUS liquid. This liquid “boiled like gasoline” though it was not warm at all. We postulate that the gas coming off of the liquid was ORMUS vapor.
From these and other experiences we hypothesized that the Meissner effect on the ORMUS causes it to retreat from electromagnetic fields. We believe that this effect is energizing for the ORMUS at first but that when it reaches a certain level (Hc2) the Meissner effect breaks down and the superconductive ORMUS drops toward a metallic state. Don Nance demonstrated this by drying sea water precipitate on an electric burner, or by exposing it to UV light, or by microwaving it in a microwave oven. In each case, there was an increase in the metallic content of the precipitate which further increased over a period of six months.
Based on all of this, we have concluded that ORMUS is energized at first when exposed to high energy electromagnetic fields but is later moved toward the metallic state as the field exposure continues. Since we don’t have any way to identify the break over point, we recommend that you avoid exposing ORMUS to sunlight or electromagnetic fields.
This would include things like cordless phones, cell phones, bluetooth devices, microwave ovens, electric burners, wireless networks and high voltage electric lines. I also try to avoid hanging out in line with the axis of spin of motors, hard drives and electric generators.
Question: How can I get in touch with other people who share my interest in the ORMUS materials?
Answer: There are several email lists for discussion of ormus and related topics.
I recently set up a new forum for newcomers to the ORMUS field of study. This forum is on YahooGroups and is called simply ORMUS. Here are the commands for this list:
When you subscribe to this list you will be sent a message requesting more information about you and how you learned about this list. You must send a response to this request in order before I will add you to the list. This is necessary to prevent spammers from joining the list and posting.
The main ORMUS forum is called the WhiteGold list. The WhiteGold List is a moderated email list. This means that the moderator of the list reviews every post you send to the list before it gets sent on to the whole list.
Since its inception in February of 1996 it has been the policy of the WhiteGold List to keep the names and contact information of its subscribers as private as those subscribers wish to be. We determine whether a person wishes to make this kind of information available to the entire list by whether or not they include this kind of information in the body of their post or in their signature lines. If you include only your first name at the bottom of your post that is all that will be included in the “From:” line in the header.
The WhiteGold List is for the sharing of personal experiences with the ORMUS substances. There is some scientific discussion but we discourage religious and political discussion because of the great diversity of people who are interested in ORMUS. The WhiteGold List averages about 25 messages per day. To join the WhiteGold list send a message to WhiteGoldfirstname.lastname@example.org with the subject Subscribe.
The WhiteGold list is a very active list. Folks on the list are generally quite willing to answer questions so you may generate some interesting responses by posting your questions to this list.
If you do not wish to get 25 or more emails a day from the WhiteGold list, you have the option of joining the digest version of the list. All of the posts are there but you get them in one digest message a day. To join the WhiteGold digest list send a message to WhiteGoldemail@example.com with the subject Subscribe digest.
The ORMUS and Spirit list was created as a place where people can freely discuss religious and spiritual issues. Anyone can join this list and it is not moderated or anonymous. This forum averages about one message per day. Here are the commands for this list:
When you subscribe to this list you will be sent a message requesting more information about you and how you learned about this list. You must send a response to this request in order before I will add you to the list. This is necessary to prevent spammers from joining the list and posting.
In addition to these forums there are over 100 local area ORMUS email lists. There is generally a local list centered within a hundred miles of most places in the United States and there are over 25 lists outside the USA.
These local ORMUS lists were created so that people can meet in person to work together on ORMUS related stuff. I also post information about upcoming ORMUS related meetings and lectures when they are to occur in a local area.
They are not moderated or anonymous. If you would like to set up a work group in your area please let me know what country you live in and what city you live near. I regularly get reports of results from people, on these local lists, who have been making and ingesting their own m-state materials.
I initially started setting up the local area ORMUS email lists in January of 1999 so that folks who are interested in ORMUS would have a way to get together in person to work on ORMUS related projects. Some of the projects that I envisioned at the time are:
Learning to make ORMUS using a variety of methods.
Sharing resources to make ORMUS cooperatively.
Sharing the costs of trying numerous ORMUS products (ORMUS “tasting” parties).
Purchasing ORMUS related supplies in bulk.
Building magnetic traps.
Cooperative ocean expeditions to collect ocean water.
Comparing personal ORMUS experiences.
Setting up presentations for local and non-local speakers.
Swapping ORMUS related books and videos.
Organizing strategies to better get the word out about ORMUS.
While all of these joint projects are useful in themselves they also help to build community among people who have many common goals and values. I believe that community building is a very important thing right now. People who are good at working together are most likely to prosper in times of changing social structures.
I would like to encourage everyone who reads this to join a local ORMUS group. I am looking for volunteers to coordinate the local groups.
Remember, it is always best to have your own local source of supply for something as precious and useful as ormus.
Question: How can I get some of the monoatomic White Powder Gold?
Answer: It has not been conclusively demonstrated whether the strange materials David Hudson identified are monatomic or not. Some scientists have suggested that the only way they could have the properties that they have is if they are di-atomic or greater.
Since we do not wish to prejudice the scientific process we have decided not to call them monatomic unless this issue is resolved. Instead we call them m-state or ORMUS elements. The “m” in m-state could mean monatomic, microcluster or even manna. You can read a scientist’s explanation of why these elements should not be monatomic click here.
Apparently, David Hudson used the term “White Powder Gold” as a generic term for all of the precious metal elements in their m-state form. Hudson never made very much of the white powder of gold because his ore source had relatively little m-gold in it.
David Hudson’s colleague who did the 41 day fast was using a powder composed of several m-state elements with less than 1% of the powder being white gold. The current thinking of most experts, including Hudson, is that once the m-state is dried out into a powder it is much less easy for the body to assimilate.
It is possible to purchase m-state gold in a relatively pure form as a wet precipitate. Many of the people who have tried the m-state gold for a length of time do not like it for a variety of reasons. Some feel that it makes them lethargic. Some feel that it puts them so much in the moment that they forget to do the things which are important to make their lives work. One long-term researcher claims that the m-gold “locks” a person into their present condition, whatever that may be.
The easiest way to get m-state gold is to use the Wet Method on Dead Sea salt as the resulting precipitate is claimed to be 70% m-gold and 30% magnesium.
You can see what percentage of the m-state elements is in various seawater sources click here
Question: Will the “good stuff,” the real White Powder Gold, allow me to ascend?
Answer: People are always asking about the ability of the white powder of gold to act as a sort of “enlightenment pill.” An “enlightenment pill” would be some substance that would cause any person who takes it to instantly transcend, ascend, awaken or “see” God.
Belief in the concept of an enlightenment pill seems to be rooted in the deeper belief that enlightenment can come from outside of the self. This belief is almost the same as the belief that someone else is responsible for the mess that “I” am in right now.
Let’s imagine that the ORMUS elements can improve the connection to spirit. Now, let’s pretend that each of us is actually responsible for everything which has ever happened to us. Imagine that you are responsible for the manifestation of what you want and also responsible for the manifestation of what you don’t want, in your life.
If the ORMUS elements are a connecting medium between “spirit and mind/matter” then they might work sort of like the air which connects us with the resonance of sound. I can speak and, if the air is thick enough to sustain life, you can hear what I say.
If the air is thicker, like at sea level, the sound of my voice will travel faster and clearer than if the air is thinner, like on a mountain top. This is the reason that you can hear a train coming, by putting your ear to the iron rail, long before you can hear the train through the air. The denser the substance the faster sound will travel through it. ORMUS would be a very dense medium for carrying our thoughts and feelings.
Now imagine that you are standing on a ledge in the Grand Canyon. You shout out a word and a few seconds later the echo comes back to you. It startles you because it seems like someone else is standing next to you and has shouted back the same thing that you shouted. Perhaps you shouted out “I love you” or perhaps you shouted out “I hate you”.
The Grand Canyon is so big that the echo is delayed a long time. This makes it seem that the echo you hear is coming from someone else. If you hear the words “I love you” you feel really good about yourself but if you hear the words “I hate you” you might become frightened because you think that someone wishes to harm you.
If the ORMUS elements are a medium of communication between mind and spirit they would bring us back the echo of whatever we are thinking about ourselves.
Suppose you had two bells outside your front door. One of these bells sounds wonderful and the other sounds horrible. The wonderful sounding bell attracts laughing, happy children to your front door and the horrible sounding bell attracts violent, vicious criminals to your door.
Now suppose that the wonderful bell rings whenever you think about what you want and the horrible bell rings whenever you think about what you don’t want. What would happen if the air, which carries the sound of the bell, suddenly became thicker. What if it became infinitely thick so that every thought would instantly manifest those things that were in resonant harmony with it.
I think that this is what happens with ORMUS, especially the “good stuff.” I think it carries the resonance of our thoughts and beliefs and brings back the echo of their manifestation very quickly. If this is true then here is a way to tell if you are ready for the “good stuff”.
First, examine your life–do things you don’t like ever happen to you? Would you be happier if these things were intensified and more instantly connected to the thoughts that called them in? Conversely, notice how regularly the things you do like happen to you. When you wake up in the morning do you contemplate your day with delicious anticipation or do you dread going to work? Which bell do you ring as you go out your front door?
Your beliefs are habits, which ORMUS will not change. When you take ORMUS it does not steal your free choice. It does not make you think only of what you want and prevent you from thinking of what you don’t want. You still can choose which bell you are going to ring with each thought. Are you sure you always think of your angels and never think of your demons–for whichever you think of you will manifest in your life and this manifestation will only be hastened and heightened by the ingestion of the “good stuff”.
You can read a cautionary story about the “good stuff” click here
Question: The most recent information on the Internet about David Hudson and his production facility is dated 1996. What has happened since then with David Hudson and his plans?
Answer: Mr. Hudson is not in production. There is some question about whether he will ever get into production.
David Hudson has faced a number of difficulties in getting his ORMUS production on line. When his plant was five days into a test run in the summer of 1998, a nitric acid tank sprang a leak. Fortunately Hudson had a concrete catch basin, which contained the acid. Unfortunately the emergency response team from the fire department sprayed foam on the acid instead of simply diluting it with water. The foam reacted with the acid and generated a large cloud of orange nitric acid gas. Several hundred people had to be evacuated from the surrounding area.
As a consequence of this event Hudson was fined and forced to think about moving his plant.
A short time after the acid leak Hudson had a heart attack. He had to have six bypasses. Subsequent to his surgery he had additional heart problems but seems to be doing well now.
His plant is still not ready for production. The delays cost him a great deal of money and this set him back even further. Now he must move his plant into a properly zoned area. In November of 2000 he sent out his last newsletter titled “ENOUGH IS ENOUGH” in this newsletter he suggested that his plant has been “regulated out of existence”.
His most recent public lecture was a December 99 lecture in Dallas which was videotaped by the Eclectic Viewpoint.
Question: How can I learn more about Ormus?
Answer: You can find basic descriptions of Ormus at:
Question: How might I contribute to ORMUS research?
Answer: There are many ways you can contribute. Two ways that I would suggest initially are to support this work financially by donating money and contribute by documenting your ORMUS experiences.
If you wish to make a monetary contribution contact me firstname.lastname@example.org .
Everyone who uses ORMUS is in a great position to contribute to our understanding of what it is and how it works. The easiest way to do this is to document the changes you experience with it.
Some of the most remarkable documentation that we have is from those few people who thought to take before pictures of problem areas. I just wish more people would do this.
One of the best set of pictures we have is the before and after picture of the tooth at:
and the beard at:
The “after” picture alone totally looses its impact without the “before” picture for comparison.
I just wish we had the before picture for Tut’s tail at:
I also wish I had a before picture of the hands described in this quote:
“My hands were claw-like, arched and impossible to lay flat, with all fingers splayed apart due to the calcium deposits on the knuckles that forced the fingers outward. Each joint has calcium deposits that have twisted the fingers; in addition to looking old and awful, very painful. I can now lay my hands flat, and the fingers on the right hand are almost completely touching each other.”
We have an after picture at:
In this case one picture would have been worth much more than 67 words.
I asked this woman to take a before picture but she put it off. She did not expect the changes to happen so quickly.
Here is a list of documentation steps which would help the cause if lots of folks were to start them before starting their use of the ORMUS substances.
List all of your existing health problems and get a medical checkup which will document the existence of these problems.
Photograph every part of the body that might change with ORMUS ingestion. The following areas are particularly suggested:
The face including details of wrinkles and sagging skin.
Hair color. Get good close ups of any hair which has become gray.
Hair growth patterns and thickness (this would include baldness and hair loss)
Both sides of both hands.
Any scars, skin cancers or skin conditions like psoriasis or shingles.
Swollen joints like finger joints, knees, wrists and elbows.
Any broken or cracked teeth and visible cavities.
A good picture of the spine which might show any spinal misalignment.
A picture which shows the whole body profile.
A picture which shows the whole body from the front.
A picture which shows the whole body from behind.
The last three pictures would reveal hip rotations, differences in leg or arm lengths or other posture problems and should be taken with little or no clothing on. If you are modest about this sort of thing you can take the pictures with a film camera, leave the film undeveloped and store it in a safe place. Women may wish to take photos which show breast size and sag as both conditions have been known to change with the use of ORMUS substances.
These pictures can be taken with a digital camera, a disposable film camera, a video camera or a regular film camera. Every person will not need to take every picture. Just take pictures of those areas where change might happen.
Make tracings of the feet and hands. Some people have reported that their fingers and toes have gotten longer.
Measure your height. This should be done immediately after rising from bed in the morning as this is the time of maximum height during the day. Some people may get as much as 1.5 inches shorter over the course of the day. Several people have reported ORMUS related changes in their height. One woman has gotten 3.5 inches taller at the age of 53.
Check the pH of your saliva and urine first thing in the morning and last thing at night for a week before starting with a new ORMUS product.
Document changes in frequency, color, odor and ease of urination.
Document any changes in stool softness, regularity, color and whether it floats or not.
Document any changes in the sound you hear when things are quiet. Many people have reported that they hear a sound in their head after using ORMUS for a while. This sound is called the “hu” or “nada”. Notice any changes in the frequency of this sound, it’s intensity or the nature of the sound. I always hear a high frequency sound at around 11,000 Hz and occasionally hear a chirping sound in my right ear. You can download a trial version of the NCH Tone Generator which can be used to compare frequency at:http://www.nch.com.au/tonegen/
Document any noticeable changes in tooth pain, new teeth, tooth alignment, filling in of cavities or other changes in the teeth.
Women should document any changes in their period including changes in the level of menstrual cramping, PMS, periodicity changes, flow levels and resumption of menstruation after menopause.
Everyone should document changes in sexual response or orgasm intensity.
Some people have noticed that it is easier to quit addictive behaviors like smoking or other drug use. If you have any such addictions it would be helpful to document how those addictions change with the use of ORMUS.
Hair analysis can reveal mineral deficiencies over time. Before and after hair analysis would be helpful.
Blood tests can reveal immune system changes and/or cancer indicators. If you think that these things might be changing with your ORMUS ingestion it will be helpful to get copies of these tests from your doctor.
If anyone can think of any other things to add to this list I will make the changes.
If you are interested in helping out with ORMUS research but not quite interested enough to do all of the things listed above, documenting any portion of the list will be much better than doing nothing at all. This list order is a rough approximation of the order of importance of these various documentation tasks.
Question: Has anyone ever noticed any ill effects after ingesting ORMUS materials?
Answer: Occasionally people have reported unpleasant effects associated with the use of some of the ORMUS products listed on the SubtleEnergies web site. Most of these effects might be explained as follows:
First, the ORMUS elements appear to stimulate the body’s elimination of toxins. This occurs first at the cellular level. As these toxins re-enter the blood stream they can trigger the same symptoms that they triggered when the toxins were originally stored in the cells. These symptoms generally do not persist as long as they did originally but they may be a bit more intense for a short period of time. They are also reported to happen in reverse order from the present to the past. This process is called a “healing crisis”. You can read a diary which describes these healing crisis effects from trap water at:
Trap Water Diary
The liver and kidneys have the role of cleansing toxins from the blood and eliminating them from the body. If these organs are not functioning well there can be a buildup of toxins in these organs which might harm them. For this reason it is generally best to do a series of liver cleanses and drink lots of water in conjunction with the initial stages of ORMUS ingestion. From my experience, few people have serious problems with this cleansing stage.
For some people the increased elimination load might result in constipation. The extra magnesium in ocean water ORMUS precipitate can mitigate this as it is the same as the active ingredient of milk of magnesia a notable laxative. An extra benefit is that most people are magnesium deficient and this is a good magnesium source.
Concurrent with the elimination process some people report tiredness or sleepiness. The Essene reported that during this stage some folks will get quite sleepy and that when they wake up they will “eat everything but the curtain rods and then they will go right back to sleep again.” We think that this happens because the body is using up the energy stored in ATP to fuel the healing process. There are some indications that this tiredness can be prevented or mitigated by taking extra B vitamins, especially B-12 and the amino acid creatine.
Another issue that has been suggested by several ORMUS researchers and producers is that it is easier to benefit from ORMUS if the body is in a more alkaline state. There is some evidence that ORMUS products, particularly those with a magnesium or calcium base, will tend to alkalize the body. Other ORMUS sources appear to work better when the body is slightly alkaline. Most people on the conventional American diet tend to be acidic. The following foods and situations tend to move one toward the alkaline end of the spectrum:
All vegetables especially green leafy vegetables
Most all fruits including citrus fruits
Drink several glasses of spring water daily
Lima beans, Soy beans
Fresh green peas & green beans
Goat milk (Contains lactose)
Low protein/low fat diet
Whey (contains milk sugar, lactose)
Ghee (clarified butter, a cholesterol-free saturated fat)
Relaxation exercises, i.e. deep breathing, yoga, etc.
The following foods and situations tend to move one more toward the less desirable acid end of the spectrum:
Excessive consumption of starches
All seafood. fish fowl ! & all flesh foods
Yogurt, butter, eggs. cow’s milk, cheese
Wheat, oats. barley, rice, corn, bread, spelt
Kamut, amaranth, teff, buckwheat
All beans except lima and soy beans
High fat meals (more than 20% of calories from fat)
Finally, David Hudson and others have suggested that certain substances can “pin” the ORMUS elements to their metallic state under some circumstances. These conditions apparently can happen in the body. According to Hudson the substances in question are sulfites (SO3), carbon and carbon monoxide and nitric oxide. Since most of the ORMUS elements are toxic in their metallic form it is wise to avoid foods and situations which increase these substances in the body. There are some indications that the tendency for the ORMUS elements to drop to metal is minimized by having an adequate B-12 intake.